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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:12 pm 
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Hi
I would like to introduce my self.
I can’t drive yet (so this is a bit of a dream) but I hope to have a covin for my 1st car or near 1st car (like I said a bit of a dream).
My farther owns a real Porsche 996 turbo and he owned a covin many years ago.
That’s is how I found out about covin Porsche’s because I was looking at beetles for my 1st car then he said why don’t you get a covin and of course after googleing covin Porsche that was it I found my 2nd dream car (1st is a real 911 turbo) I think the best looking Porsche ever made was the 964 turbo so if I could get a covin 964 turbo like James Latcham that would just be amazing but I am sure that would be more than my budget would be, and talking about budget what sort of car would I be able to get for around the 6k mark.

I have read that covin Porsches handle rubbish is that the real case and I have also read that they are just pure dangerous over 100mph is that true.

Also what is the best and most simple engine to put in them.

I will be going to the national kit car show on the 7th to have a look at some hope to see some of you there.

And 1 last thing what happens with the insurance for example is it a kit car ect

Thanks looking forward to your replies
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Welcome aboard Lee, unfortunately the due to the nature of Kitcars and Classics usually means it's very difficult to get insurance if your under 25. I don't know how old you are but if you can't drive yet I assume your under 25 :smt002
I would make some enquires about insurance before you even think about buying a Covin.

As to handling. A Covin in standard form is quite simply a 911 body on a VW Beetle or Type 3 which uses 40 year old suspension, steering and brakes so it won't handle like any modern vehicle.
As for speeds above 100mph :smt017 You'll do this once and once only because you'll either die in the process or never risk doing it again :lmao :lmao :lmao

Best and most simple engine for the Covin is the old VW Air-Cooled engine. This gives the best weight balance and handling.

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Hi
Thanks for the reply.
I have been doing some research and found out companies will not give me anything until I am 21 and the some that will it is going to cost around £3000 but the other option is go on my farther insurance (its not good but at times you have to do what you have to do) then it will only coast about £1900 with limited miles policy or my other option is buy a project and by the time its done I will be over 21 :smt001 but I have never been a fan of a project because with me it would have a week of work from me then be left.

And with the engine I would like it to sound a bit better than a old bug and have a bit more power and is there anything I can do with the handling there must be suspension upgrades ect (this is getting dear with even starting lol)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:34 pm 
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Hi
I would like to introduce my self.
I can’t drive yet (so this is a bit of a dream) but I hope to have a covin for my 1st car or near 1st car (like I said a bit of a dream).
My farther owns a real Porsche 996 turbo and he owned a covin many years ago.
That’s is how I found out about covin Porsche’s because I was looking at beetles for my 1st car then he said why don’t you get a covin and of course after googleing covin Porsche that was it I found my 2nd dream car (1st is a real 911 turbo) I think the best looking Porsche ever made was the 964 turbo so if I could get a covin 964 turbo like James Latcham that would just be amazing but I am sure that would be more than my budget would be, and talking about budget what sort of car would I be able to get for around the 6k mark.

I have read that covin Porsches handle rubbish is that the real case and I have also read that they are just pure dangerous over 100mph is that true.

Also what is the best and most simple engine to put in them.

I will be going to the national kit car show on the 7th to have a look at some hope to see some of you there.

And 1 last thing what happens with the insurance for example is it a kit car ect

Thanks looking forward to your replies
Thanks
Lee



Hello and welcome.
The advice givin above is the best advice you will get regarding the covin as he also gave me the same advice.

My advice to you is you cannot drive yet but you are asking about speeds of over 100mph.
Driving at that speed would be putting you and other road users at risk,in any car you could be driving never mind a covin.
A driving licence is a privilege and has to be respected or it gets taken away very quickly.(more so for new drivers).

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welcome lee, valuable words there bond, insurance has to be a priority, then what sort of use you expect to have with a covin, all year round ? good weather ?/ odd weekend away?? as stated a standard simple aircooled car is a great starting point and simple and easy to drive, regarding the 100mph part, you will need to spend more then K6 to get to those speeds and enjoy it, and it is fun, on private roads or tracks of course :smt003 :smt003 :smt003
but you want one to drive well and be a pleasant ride, and reliable, the air cooled engine as darren said is farr the best engine for the job, a simple 1.6 beetle engine set up right will drive the car very well, twin carbs sports exhaust are simple bolt on goodies to give it the edge, at reasonaable prices,
as a tip to buy one, get one correctly registed as a covin, tax exempt is bonus, but as long as you can drive it to get a feel of it and see if you enjoy it,
should be easy for K6 the 964 turbo 2 look may hold a bit more of a premium, if done right.
but do the insurance bit first,
and be willing to travel to find the right car, they dont often turn up on your door step,
ask away mate if you need any more info or things not to get,

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:55 pm 
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[quote="PORSCHE911TARGA"][quote="911.turbo"]Hi
I would like to introduce my self.
I can’t drive yet (so this is a bit of a dream) but I hope to have a covin for my 1st car or near 1st car (like I said a bit of a dream).
My farther owns a real Porsche 996 turbo and he owned a covin many years ago.
That’s is how I found out about covin Porsche’s because I was looking at beetles for my 1st car then he said why don’t you get a covin and of course after googleing covin Porsche that was it I found my 2nd dream car (1st is a real 911 turbo) I think the best looking Porsche ever made was the 964 turbo so if I could get a covin 964 turbo like James Latcham that would just be amazing but I am sure that would be more than my budget would be, and talking about budget what sort of car would I be able to get for around the 6k mark.

I have read that covin Porsches handle rubbish is that the real case and I have also read that they are just pure dangerous over 100mph is that true.

Also what is the best and most simple engine to put in them.

I will be going to the national kit car show on the 7th to have a look at some hope to see some of you there.

And 1 last thing what happens with the insurance for example is it a kit car ect

Thanks looking forward to your replies
Thanks
Lee[/quote]


Hello and welcome.
The advice givin above is the best advice you will get regarding the covin as he also gave me the same advice.

My advice to you is you cannot drive yet but you are asking about speeds of over 100mph.
Driving at that speed would be putting you and other road users at risk,in any car you could be driving never mind a covin.
A driving licence is a privilege and has to be respected or it gets taken away very quickly.(more so for new drivers).[/quote]

HI
I totally understand where you are coming from I am not buying the car for speed but I would like to keep up with traffic and as the motorway speed limit may be 80mph soon which means you can legally do 88mph this it getting close to 100mph and I just want the car to fell safe.

Maybe I shouldn’t say this but about a year ago I was with my dad in his 996 turbo and we got up to around 160mph (on the autobahn of course) and the car just rapidly chucked it self across 3 lanes and all I thought then was this is going to end badly luckily my farther could get control again at around 120mph I just don’t want this to happen in my covin

And thanks for the advice I am going to get one with a normal beetle engine and just upgrade it a bit with some easy bolt on parts and I am want the car for my daily driver

Would I be able to get a 964 turbo 2 rep for 6k in black would be a good or am I asking for too much?

Thanks lee


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The current speed limit is 70mph not 80mph and certainly not 88mph :smt017 a bog standard Covin will probably make your ears bleed at a constant 70mph anyway :lmao

I'm sorry but it's unrealistic to think you'll find a correctly registered Covin in Black with a 965 body kit and Air-Cooled engine that will be 100% sorted out and ready to safely go bombing down the motorway at high speed, especially an inexperienced young driver. A 1.1 Fiesta will perform better and be much safer for you. That's a Fact

Most Covin's that come up for sale need work of some kind, unless you pay big money for a really good one.
Be it a colour change, engine change, wiring, soundproofing, electrics, mechanical work or a whole host of other things like trim and seats etc. If you can't do some of this work yourself then a kitcar or classic car will end up costing a fortune in garage bills because most garages will not have a clue what to do with them and it'll take a lot of time to sort out. Time is money.
90% of cheap Covins you see on ebay require a complete rebuild, huge amounts of money spending on them and then an IVA test.

If you really want a Covin, the most important thing is getting one that's correctly registered, known in the club and ideally with an Air-Cooled engine fitted. It should be on the road with tax and mot and drive reasonably well for a car that's got 40 year old running gear. Everything else can be changed in time, but Porsche 965 body kits and Black paintwork come at a very high cost.

You never know your luck though, something might come up for sale but you have to act fast to buy the right one :smt012

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Hi
Like I said earlier I don’t want the car for speed its not a 911 and never will be. I read the whole thread throw and it has come across the wrong way I wanted to know what sort of speed they would go the same as when you buy any car. I will not be racing round like most other 17 year olds. If I did want to race round like the others do I would buy a 1.1 ford or nova put a huge exhaust on is cut the springs and put a body kit on it or for short get a car that looks like it has just drove throw halfords.

I want a car that looks different from all the other cars people normally get at a young age.
Most of the time I will be driving it at 30-40 mph.
I hope to been soon training to be a mechanic at a Porsche specialist (farther friend place)
I am more than happy to have a couple of things to do on the car I would like to be running not perfect is fine just a solid car all round is what I am after.


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Like I said earlier I don’t want the car for speed its not a 911 and never will be. I read the whole thread throw and it has come across the wrong way I wanted to know what sort of speed they would go the same as when you buy any car. I will not be racing round like most other 17 year olds. If I did want to race round like the others do I would buy a 1.1 ford or nova put a huge exhaust on is cut the springs and put a body kit on it or for short get a car that looks like it has just drove throw halfords.

I want a car that looks different from all the other cars people normally get at a young age.
Most of the time I will be driving it at 30-40 mph.
I hope to been soon training to be a mechanic at a Porsche specialist (farther friend place)
I am more than happy to have a couple of things to do on the car I would like to be running not perfect is fine just a solid car all round is what I am after.


Hi,
I dont think your post has come over the wrong way.
Members here will try to give you honest straight to the point advice. Sometimes members comments can appear to come over the wrong way. My advice was the same advice i would give to any young driver, i did not wish to suggest that you would be doing those sort of speeds.
You sound as though you have ot your head screwed on and also have done some homework on the covin.
I came on here asking very similar questions and the advice given will give you a very good idea of what to expect from a covin.
They are a stunning looking car that will be very different from what others are driving, and peformance is a small price to pay for a young person to be driving such a beautiful car.
It will aslo help you keep your licence as a bonus :smt002

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Don't get me wrong here Lee, It's not all doom and gloom mate. I'm just giving you a bit of a reality check because most people who buy a Covin think they will perform as well as they look. Hence the reason why so many dreamers buy a Covin and then put it back up for sale days or weeks later on ebay :smt013 They just don't listen to advice from us and think they know better. Trust me, they don't and never will :smt018

You do sound like you've thought about this quite a bit and it's good to have an idea or plan of just what you want and how your going to get it.

A Covin will handle quite well at lower speeds, 40 to 50 mph, they're just not that great at higher speed, unless you carry out some modifications and upgrades.
Air-Cooled engines are best because they're very light therefore you have a fighting chance of getting better front to rear weight balance. With this set-up, as long as your suspension and steering components are in good order and and the steering box has no free play, they will drive just fine at legal speeds. They are however quite noisy at higher motorway speeds unless very good soundproofing its fitted. This bothers some people.
They get a bit twitchy at 70mph on motorways with poor road surface because of the very wide tyres. Fitting 205 tyres up front reduces this considerably as does a few other mods.
Forget about trying for warp speed though. That's not what a Covin is about :smt018

A Covin is more for good looks with low running cost.
They're cheap to run, cheap to insure (unless your quite young :smt005 ) usually tax free and as an added bonus the club members are some of the best people you'll ever meet.

Lets face it, when your mates turn up in their recycled bean can, shitron Saxo's with a lump of old drainpipe for an exhaust sticking out the back.....
If you have what looks exactly like a Porsche 911 Turbo.
I wonder who would get noticed ?
Now that's what it's all about :smt012

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[quote="Covin"]Don't get me wrong here Lee, It's not all doom and gloom mate. I'm just giving you a bit of a reality check because most people who buy a Covin think they will perform as well as they look. Hence the reason why so many dreamers buy a Covin and then put it back up for sale days or weeks later on ebay :smt013 They just don't listen to advice from us and think they know better. Trust me, they don't and never will :smt018

You do sound like you've thought about this quite a bit and it's good to have an idea or plan of just what you want and how your going to get it.

A Covin will handle quite well at lower speeds, 40 to 50 mph, they're just not that great at higher speed, unless you carry out some modifications and upgrades.
Air-Cooled engines are best because they're very light therefore you have a fighting chance of getting better front to rear weight balance. With this set-up, as long as your suspension and steering components are in good order and and the steering box has no free play, they will drive just fine at legal speeds. They are however quite noisy at higher motorway speeds unless very good soundproofing its fitted. This bothers some people.
They get a bit twitchy at 70mph on motorways with poor road surface because of the very wide tyres. Fitting 205 tyres up front reduces this considerably as does a few other mods.
Forget about trying for warp speed though. That's not what a Covin is about :smt018

A Covin is more for good looks with low running cost.
They're cheap to run, cheap to insure (unless your quite young :smt005 ) usually tax free and as an added bonus the club members are some of the best people you'll ever meet.

Lets face it, when your mates turn up in their recycled bean can, shitron Saxo's with a lump of old drainpipe for an exhaust sticking out the back.....
If you have what looks exactly like a Porsche 911 Turbo.
I wonder who would get noticed ?
Now that's what it's all about :smt012[/quote]

Hi
Thanks for the advice I rely appreciate it.
You hit the nail on the head to me a 911 turbo is the best looking cars ever made. Most of the time I will not be on the motorway anyway and thanks for telling the truth about a covin you could of said “there not the best handling cars but they are all right” I must admit I fell into the trap of thinking “ill have a coving for a year then put a nice engine in the back.
But now I need to get realistic I will be happy to have a bug engine in it because that’s all I need.
Thanks for all the advice again I hope to see some of you soon at the national kit car show
Thanks lee


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:smt012 nice one lee, hope to see you at show mate, make sure you find us and introduce your self, we dont bite, well some of us ha ha ha

re air cooled, many years ago in the early days many owners went for water cooled, engines .for power quietness good heater ect ect, cheap to maintain, how ever like most things, we learn alot over the years and the best cars drive well with a right balance, front to rear, look any modern car , its all about weight distribution, 50/50 balance is the best you will get, you will enjoy the ride,, i know im guna get some flack here, but honestly if i was doing it again, i would have a 4 cyl aircooled engine , bond is guna do me for this but im just being honest, you will be surprised the power you can get from a 4 potter , after all the concept of a 911 (901)was designed around a 4 cylinder air cooled engine, ,need we say anymore,

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